As far as I understand it, the Arizona law had 4 main provisions. I have not read the bill, so I don't know the exact wording, but the main provisions go something like this.
1) Police are required to check the immigration status of the offender in any lawful stop.
2) Illegal immigrants must have their registration papers with them at all times.
3) Illegal immigrants cannot apply for work.
4) Police have permission to make warrantless arrests if they believe there is probable cause that the offence would make the offender removable from the US.The Department of Justice thought that this law was unconstitutional so it filed a challenge. Eventually, this case made its way to the Supreme Court. When it made its ruling, the Supreme Court found that the last 3 provisions were unconstitutional citing the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution. It says this:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
So I have never studied law but I don't see how this Arizona bill undermines the supremacy of federal law or the Constitution. What I think is happening is this. Immigration has generally been considered a federal government issue, not a state government issue. When Arizona wanted to make harsher penalties or create new restrictions in this bill, it was simply trying to solve it's illegal immigration problem. But the federal government usually deals with this problem so it got mad when Arizona tried to do it on its own. So the Court ruled in favor of federal law.
Basically, the Court said that federal laws trump (or in legal jargon, "pre-empt") states' laws. I am displeased with this. If Arizona had made a law that contradicted a federal law, then I could see the Supremacy Clause as legal grounds to discard the Arizona law. But it didn't do that! The Arizona law does not contradict any federal laws as far as I know. In my understanding, it just created some more restrictions (can't apply for work, must carry registration papers) and gave police more power to find illegal immigrants. That should be fine in Arizona if they vote to pass it, which they did.
Also, why did the Supreme Court leave the 1st provision and strike down the other 3? This I really don't understand. Doesn't the 1st provision violate the Supremacy Clause if the others do? Someone explain this to me.
I like the first 3 provisions of the bill. Requiring police to check the immigration status of everyone they stop eliminates racial profiling. Requiring illegal aliens to carry their papers is simple and I imagine gives some legal ground on which we can deport some illegals. Taking away the illegals' right to work allows Arizona to prosecute illegals who come here to find a job which I imagine is the vast majority.
But I don't support the last provision. It gives police the right to stop anyone they think has committed a crime that would make them removable from the US (presumably coming here illegally). In theory, this would be a great law. Police would think that a certain person is an illegal immigrant for some reason or another and then would have the ability to detain that person until they receive information on their immigration status. But I imagine this provision could quickly turn sour. Give police the ability to arrest people just because they have a hunch that they came here illegally. They could arrest me, if I happened to be driving through Arizona, and give no reason except that they think they have probable cause that I did something that would warrant my removal from the US. Then, only when they found that I have done nothing that warrants such action, they would have to let me go. Basically, my bone to pick with this last provision is that it gives too much power to police officers. I don't think they should be able to arrest someone simply because they think that person has done something warranting their removal from the US. Anyone well-versed in constitutional law want to give me a clause that I could cite that would make this provision unconstitutional? Please?
But then again, the Arizona state legislature passed the bill, the governor signed it into law, all by lawful process. I'm just mad that the Court ruled the way it did. I'm a fan of the individual states, not so much the federal government. Basically I wish they had ruled in favor of states' rights to make their own laws if the states feel the federal laws insufficient.
I did some more research on immigration to see if I could come up with a good solution to the problem. Expect another post about that soon. It's got more data and is pretty informative (at least it was for me). I'm gonna go see if I can find it. Thanks for reading! Comment below so we can get some good dialogue going!
What a noble endeavor! I will read future posts with interest. You certainly didn't shy away from a controversial issue as your first blog post, did you?
ReplyDeleteHaha! No, I didn't. Thanks for reading! More controversial topics to come!
Deletebut strictly speaking from a constitutional stand point, federal law always trumps state law. look at mccolough vs. maryland (im pretty sure i didnt spell that right) but if we could just let the states make their own laws with no regards to the federal system then we'd have another civil war on our hands. Im not saying that every state law should be checked and reprimanded by the federal system, but something as delicate as profiling illegal immigrants probably should be.
ReplyDeleteAnd speaking of the law in general that is some South African ass shit we have on our hands. What exactly constitutes someone who might be an illegal immigrant? Is it someone with tan skin? Is it someone with a mustache? It just aint right to profile people and have make them carry around ID just on the technicality that they might be illegal. What if I thought all redheads were illegals and I forced y'all to carry around ID at all times. Just redheads though. We did away with discrimination like this back in the 1960s and this Arizona act apartheid throwback just isnt the right way to treat illegal immigration.
Sincerely,
Max Powers
Federal law trumps state law when the state law contradicts federal law and the state has agreed to adhere to the Constitution. From what I've just read about McCulloch vs. Maryland, a state wanted to impose a tax on the federal bank. The Chief Justice at the time, John Marshall, ruled the tax unconstitutional on the basis that it was impeding a constitutional right of congress to operate a bank. But here, Arizona law is not impeding federal law; it is in some sense expanding on the federal law! At least I see it that way.
DeleteSo as far as I understand it, illegal immigrants are required to register with the federal government. We then give them registration papers. I find it legal and not morally reprehensible that we then force them to carry these papers at all times. I feel that they're lucky we don't deport them immediately!
But I agree with your point about discrimination. In theory, the law (and particularly the 4th provision) is fine and even helpful. In practice, I fear that it would lead to an unhealthy increase in police power.
Thanks for reading Max!
Owen, your thinking seems pretty lucid to me. I don't see that it contradicts Federal law. Welcome to the inscrutable world of the Supreme Court.
ReplyDeleteCan any rational person who isn't a lawyer (the US has 5% of the world's population but 66% of the world's lawyers) look at McCain-Feingold & say it doesn't trample the 1st Amendment right of free expression?
Regarding Obamacare, the court 1st determined that Obamacare wasn't a tax (because otherwise they couldn't have ruled due to the fact no tax is collected till 2014), & then ruled it constitutional BECAUSE it was a tax.
No one can predict how they will rule. It makes 'rule of law' something of a joke. How they will rule is more arbitrary than a blocking/charging call in college hoops.
How different are we than being ruled by primitive witch-doctors consulting entrails?
Why do we have so many lawyers?!
DeleteOh now you have piqued my interest in this McCain-Feingold case! I'm gonna refrain from commenting on it until I do a little more research. I can't wait to sink my teeth into a good, controversial piece of law.
And yeah! What is with the Court's decision on ObamaCare? I don't get it! If it's a tax, they must wait to make a ruling. If it's a penalty, it's unconstitutional, at least in my opinion. Expect a lengthy post about the Court's decision on ObamaCare soon.
What I thought was funny was that Roberts went with the liberals instead of Kennedy. What happened there? I like to think we're slightly more civilized than a society ruled by primitive witch-doctors, but the (seemingly) arbitrary manner in which the Supreme Court makes decisions becomes more apparent to me the longer I study it.
Thanks for contributing Wil!
Imagine a country where everybody is required to carry around a piece of paper, or some sort of card, 24/7. Whatever the form, let us call these things "documents".
ReplyDeleteThen let us imagine that everybody is randomly checked for these documents by the police. If you don't have these documents, you are arrested and detained without a deadline until you provide these documents.
Sounds familiar? Ever read up on USSR history?
Because the system I described is taken directly from the dark history books. Didn't have your documents with you? You're screwed.
Is this the system you are proposing? It seems so. You're not requiring illegal immigrants to carry documents, you require _everybody_ to carry documents - how else can you prove that you are here legally? This is a very slippery slope to a police state, my man, and I'm not even _that_ paranoid.
I'm also not going to start on the issues of racial profiling etc.
Cheers
You say that "it seems" that I am proposing a system where everyone is required to carry documents. I am not. I am proposing a system in which illegal immigrants are required to carry documents. Legal citizens can walk around with no documentations and because I oppose the 4th provision (the one allowing police to arrest people without warrants because they think the offender is here illegally), these citizens cannot be stopped by the police.
DeleteSo unless legal citizens commit some kind of offense (by which provision 1 mandates that police check their immigration status), police cannot stop them and ask for their documentation. Now see how this is different from the "dark history book" situation that you described?
I don't agree with the 4th provision because I am "that paranoid." See paragraphs 9 and 10.
I've got some thoughts on racial profiling too. Maybe we'll pop the top on that one a little later.
Thanks for reading and commenting!
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